Re: IDEs

I use pico from a Linux prompt, it's fast and extremely efficient,

what else do you really need? :)

Sincerely,
Mukunda Modell
www.20after4.net
ICQ: 61781640

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hoeller Juergen" <juergen.hoeller@xxx.com>
To: <resin-interest@xxx.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:04 PM
Subject: IDEs

Hi Martin, Alan, all,

The open-source NetBeans 3.3.1 and the free Forte for Java Community
Edition 3.0/4.0EA (based on NetBeans) have decent servlet/JSP support,
FFJ 3.0 and NetBeans 3.3.1 having Tomcat 3.2 integrated, FFJ 4.0 even
having Tomcat 4.0 (Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2). The ability to compile and run
JSPs in the IDE is great, I like the HTTP monitor (monitoring servlet
requests and sessions), and the FFJs are even capable of JSP inline
debugging. Speed (especially startup time) and memory usage have never
been Forte's particular strengths, but this is constantly improving. Try
NetBeans 3.3.1 for a clean and fast release if you do not need FFJ 4.0's
integrated Tomcat 4.0. BTW, I expect a forthcoming NetBeans release to
also feature Tomcat 4.0 support.

IntelliJ's IDEA 2.5 has nice JSP support, but without an integrated
Tomcat or Jasper JSP compiler. So you "just" have intelligent JSP syntax
highlighting and code completion, besides all the Java code completion,
analysis and refactoring features that make IDEA the great IDE that it
is. Besides, IDEA is fast despite being a 100% Java IDE and uses its
resources very efficiently (try the amazingly fast "Find usages"
feature!!). BTW, a single user license is just 395 USD, and they have a
volume pricing model.

I also did occasional debugging with Resin, which is simple to setup and
reasonably fast with both Forte/NetBeans and IDEA. Even debugging
Resin's JSP-generated servlets is easy, just include the WEB-INF/work
directory in the sourcepath and classpath and set a breakpoint there.
Generally, debugging Resin servlets should not be a problem with any
JPDA-compliant IDE.

So why use a thousands-of-dollars JBuilder or VisualCafe for
Java/JSP/Servlet development? I don't see a reason, provided you do not
need EJB support. I have tried both and also Eclipse, but not even the
much-hyped latter has convinced me. IMHO, IDEA is currently the best IDE
for Java development, and Forte Community Edition/NetBeans the best IDE
for integrated JSP/Servlet development (the former being incredibly
cheap concerning its capabilities, the latter being free). I use a
combination of both IDEs for everyday work, with a tendency towards IDEA
because of my focus changing to framework development.

Concerning SlickEdit: Quite a lot of our Java developers formerly used
SlickEdit because of its editing capabilities, but they do not touch it
anymore since they know IDEA :-)

I am very curious about what IDEs are preferred by you Resin fans out
there! Is there anyone that has tried Forte/NetBeans and/or IDEA for
JSP/Servlet-driven development and still uses something else, without a
need for EJB support and not regarding text editor/command-line compiler
options?

Regards,
Juergen

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Juergen Hoeller
Senior Software Engineer
mailto:juergen.hoeller@xxx.com

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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Martín Córdova [mailto:mcordova@xxx.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. April 2002 20:18
> An: resin-interest@xxx.com
> Betreff: Re: Eclipse plugins...
>
>
> Eclipse, in contrast with other 100% Java IDEs, is quite fast
> and it can
> debug servlets with Resin, which is a BIG plus for me,
> considering that it
> is free and open source. Performs decently on my Celeron 800
> 256MB RAM PC.
> The debugger works great. The IDE concept is a little
> complicated, at least
> for me!
>
> My favorite IDE is SlickEdit, but it lacks Java servlet
> debugging and it
> does cost about $250.
>
> Regards,
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Berezin" <aberezin@xxx-it.com>
> To: <resin-interest@xxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Eclipse plugins...
>
>
> > Any opinion on Eclipse? I like JB but have an issue paying $1-3K.
> >
> > Regards, Alan Berezin
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-resin-interest@xxx.com
> > [mailto:owner-resin-interest@xxx.com]On Behalf Of Martín Córdova
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > To: resin-interest@xxx.com
> > Subject: Eclipse plugins...
> >
> >
> > For those using the open source Eclipse IDE, you may want
> to check this
> > website:
> >
> > http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net
> >
> > It would be nice to have a Resin plugin!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Thu 04 Apr 2002 03:10:17 -0800