Re: IDEs

Second this. Together ControlCenter is such an amazing piece of work it
never ceases to surprise me. However, the price of it is equally amazing
- and unfortunately not in a positive way.

I took a look at IDEA, and it seems pretty decent as an IDE. However, as
long as the IDEs have no UML modeling features like Together, I might as
well just use a decent editor like jEdit (jedit.sourceforge.net). I am
on the constant lookout for something that could be adapted for the
modeling part of the Together work-cycle, though.

My current ideas of what this needs:

- automatic java class source generation from UML diagrams (MagicDraw
does this for less than Together)
- automatic round-trip UML diagram update from java source (haven't seen
anything but Together do this well)
- user-maintainable pattern/template library for default classes (for
example, to generate a CMP bean implementation skeleton instead of a
bare-bones java class) (most IDEs have this, but only Together does it
with UML diagrams as far as I know)
- code generation for interfaces etc, such as CMP 2.0 Local/Home/Remote
and deployment descriptors (XDoclet seems to be a pretty good solution)

Together does a hell of a lot more than this (such as database
reverse-engineering etc), but for me, those are the real killer
features. I just have a hard time justifying the 10k USD per-license
cost.

A couple of things that would be a nice bonus but can be solved other
ways, and which most IDEs already have:

- source-level debugging
- CVS integration
- code completion and context-sensitive documentation search

On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 10:41, Chris Chen wrote:
>
> >I am very curious about what IDEs are preferred by you Resin fans out
> >there! Is there anyone that has tried Forte/NetBeans and/or IDEA for
> >JSP/Servlet-driven development and still uses something else, without a
> >need for EJB support and not regarding text editor/command-line compiler
> >options?
>
>
> I actually use Togethersoft's Together Control Center. Mainly my
> developments are driven by UML so I tend to look at UML modeling
> capabilities more, and Together has one of the best UML modeling tools. Of
> course, it does all the other things you want (EJB, JSP, Web services,
> etc).. The code completion and all that is now better supported in Together
> 6. I just moved from 5.5 to 6.0 and it seems to be really nice.. The only
> problem I currently have with the newest version is that it runs a bit
> slower than 5.5 and I am rather impatient when it comes to developing on an
> IDE that can't keep up with me.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
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