Re: IDEs

hmm, a decent text editor with basic search/replace functionality? :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mukunda Modell" <20after4@xxx.com>
To: <resin-interest@xxx.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: IDEs

> I use pico from a Linux prompt, it's fast and extremely efficient,
>
> what else do you really need? :)
>
> Sincerely,
> Mukunda Modell
> www.20after4.net
> ICQ: 61781640
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hoeller Juergen" <juergen.hoeller@xxx.com>
> To: <resin-interest@xxx.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:04 PM
> Subject: IDEs
>
>
> Hi Martin, Alan, all,
>
> The open-source NetBeans 3.3.1 and the free Forte for Java Community
> Edition 3.0/4.0EA (based on NetBeans) have decent servlet/JSP support,
> FFJ 3.0 and NetBeans 3.3.1 having Tomcat 3.2 integrated, FFJ 4.0 even
> having Tomcat 4.0 (Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2). The ability to compile and run
> JSPs in the IDE is great, I like the HTTP monitor (monitoring servlet
> requests and sessions), and the FFJs are even capable of JSP inline
> debugging. Speed (especially startup time) and memory usage have never
> been Forte's particular strengths, but this is constantly improving. Try
> NetBeans 3.3.1 for a clean and fast release if you do not need FFJ 4.0's
> integrated Tomcat 4.0. BTW, I expect a forthcoming NetBeans release to
> also feature Tomcat 4.0 support.
>
> IntelliJ's IDEA 2.5 has nice JSP support, but without an integrated
> Tomcat or Jasper JSP compiler. So you "just" have intelligent JSP syntax
> highlighting and code completion, besides all the Java code completion,
> analysis and refactoring features that make IDEA the great IDE that it
> is. Besides, IDEA is fast despite being a 100% Java IDE and uses its
> resources very efficiently (try the amazingly fast "Find usages"
> feature!!). BTW, a single user license is just 395 USD, and they have a
> volume pricing model.
>
> I also did occasional debugging with Resin, which is simple to setup and
> reasonably fast with both Forte/NetBeans and IDEA. Even debugging
> Resin's JSP-generated servlets is easy, just include the WEB-INF/work
> directory in the sourcepath and classpath and set a breakpoint there.
> Generally, debugging Resin servlets should not be a problem with any
> JPDA-compliant IDE.
>
> So why use a thousands-of-dollars JBuilder or VisualCafe for
> Java/JSP/Servlet development? I don't see a reason, provided you do not
> need EJB support. I have tried both and also Eclipse, but not even the
> much-hyped latter has convinced me. IMHO, IDEA is currently the best IDE
> for Java development, and Forte Community Edition/NetBeans the best IDE
> for integrated JSP/Servlet development (the former being incredibly
> cheap concerning its capabilities, the latter being free). I use a
> combination of both IDEs for everyday work, with a tendency towards IDEA
> because of my focus changing to framework development.
>
> Concerning SlickEdit: Quite a lot of our Java developers formerly used
> SlickEdit because of its editing capabilities, but they do not touch it
> anymore since they know IDEA :-)
>
> I am very curious about what IDEs are preferred by you Resin fans out
> there! Is there anyone that has tried Forte/NetBeans and/or IDEA for
> JSP/Servlet-driven development and still uses something else, without a
> need for EJB support and not regarding text editor/command-line compiler
> options?
>
> Regards,
> Juergen
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Juergen Hoeller
> Senior Software Engineer
> mailto:juergen.hoeller@xxx.com
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>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Martín Córdova [mailto:mcordova@xxx.com]
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. April 2002 20:18
> > An: resin-interest@xxx.com
> > Betreff: Re: Eclipse plugins...
> >
> >
> > Eclipse, in contrast with other 100% Java IDEs, is quite fast
> > and it can
> > debug servlets with Resin, which is a BIG plus for me,
> > considering that it
> > is free and open source. Performs decently on my Celeron 800
> > 256MB RAM PC.
> > The debugger works great. The IDE concept is a little
> > complicated, at least
> > for me!
> >
> > My favorite IDE is SlickEdit, but it lacks Java servlet
> > debugging and it
> > does cost about $250.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Martin
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Berezin" <aberezin@xxx-it.com>
> > To: <resin-interest@xxx.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: Eclipse plugins...
> >
> >
> > > Any opinion on Eclipse? I like JB but have an issue paying $1-3K.
> > >
> > > Regards, Alan Berezin
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-resin-interest@xxx.com
> > > [mailto:owner-resin-interest@xxx.com]On Behalf Of Martín Córdova
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > To: resin-interest@xxx.com
> > > Subject: Eclipse plugins...
> > >
> > >
> > > For those using the open source Eclipse IDE, you may want
> > to check this
> > > website:
> > >
> > > http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net
> > >
> > > It would be nice to have a Resin plugin!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Received on Thu 04 Apr 2002 09:01:36 -0800